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sorrel

I can comment on a woman's right to share her experiences of sexual harassment by 'beta males' for as long as you want. (clearly what I would call an 'alpha male' a man who would neither harass women or get 'upset' when women share their experiences of being harassed) You have the right to respond as you want. if you think women 'deserve' to be harassed, then that's ok, because that is your opinion and you have a right to it and a right to express it. And as long as women are sexually harassed and abused, I will continue to highlight this, especially to women who may be thinking of working in China. This is just to flag to them, that Chinese men think nothing of sexually harassing women on the street whereas in MANY other countries (and possibly their home country) women can walk down the street without having to be worried about being groped, 'up-skirted' and verbally abused, so they know to be prepared for it when in China. But maybe you don't want women to be prepared......... or do you not want women to be aware of this problem in China? just saying.

May 17, 2021 15:33 Report Abuse

sorrel

the way the poster 'kenneth_taytc' is looking for pictures of the numerous times Chinese guys groped me (the 'evidence' he is looking for) is more than a bit creepy . LOL So Kenneth, do you LIKE pictures of women being groped or sexually harassed? Just asking. What other 'evidence; would you like? footage caught on phones so you can watch it over and over again? a graphic description you can read many times at your leisure? of course there is NOTHING creepy or perverted wanting 'evidence' of women being sexually harassed, (IF you are a police official or a solicitor that is). Which are you? Legitimate question, (and I will need the evidence IF you are either of these) I am a very patient person.

May 17, 2021 16:55 Report Abuse

sorrel

still looking for evidence of a sexual assault/harassment on a woman? Wow ! not at all creepy or perverted ! Maybe you should try the internet if you are into looking at that kind of thing. Your own personal taste will no doubt be catered for. (again I am not making any judgement as to what you are into - each to his own I say) !! Here is a friendly hint - asking women for evidence of anything of a sexual nature online is considered a criminal offence in many countries (here all i have to do is go to the police with all the comments you have posted so far and file a complaint - the internet is a great thing) - especially if you are not personally known to the woman. That is considered 'stalking' at the very least. But then I wonder if you have ANY respect for women - why else would you keep demanding anything of a remotely sexual nature from me? Are you hoping to 'jerk-off' on anything I send you? Your insistence that I send you something is beginning to sound like you are......... Just keep digging you hole.

May 18, 2021 13:49 Report Abuse

sorrel

thanks Kenneth. All you have is name calling? so I am a bully and a racist now? is that the best you have? Thomas Sowell wrote "The word 'racism' is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything - and demanding evidence makes you a 'racist.' I don;t care in the least what you think of me, you mean so little to me other than being amusing and insightful into the mind of someone who probably has not travelled beyond their village. It seems the reality for many thousands of women in China means as little to you as well. Just because you are not a woman you immediately dismiss experiences of women. You can believe what you like and I owe you nothing. And i see you are still posing links - thank you ! PLEASE keep posting comments to me. I never thought I would meet someone with so little empathy or humanity. But that is the great thing about life - the endless variety of people in the world. and it is meeting people like you that make me thankful of all the great people I REALLY know - people who are not so aggressive and don't default to abuse and name-calling as quickly as you do. Do you really dislike women so much that you will abuse them online? Just asking.

May 18, 2021 14:00 Report Abuse

sorrel

NEVER think a woman is an easy target. In my experience it is the 'beta' males who TRY to bully women. 'Alpha' males have more confidence than that. Calling me names rather than responding with a logical response says more about you than you seem to think. You are no better (in my opinion) than the men who sexually harass women, who call us names, who try to grope us, who try to silence us - who think women 'deserve' to be treated like this if we are not passive and silent. With every response to me that involves name calling, 'demands' for 'evidence', abuse - you are showing yourself for who you are. Could it be that you are one of these 'beta' males that think casual misogyny as displayed by the men who sexually harass women on the street is ok and that I am shining a light on your behaviour? I seriously doubt you would have the courage to say the same things to me (or any woman) face to face, whereas I have had these conversations with guys in real life, and guess what - they LISTEN and can discuss these things rationally without EVER 'demanding' evidence. We don't always agree, but we keep a level of civility that you seem to lack. Some of these guys admit that they have even witnessed these behaviours towards women for themselves (when in China) AND intervened. I really doubt you would do this as you can't even seem to have a civil conversation without resorting to abusive and bullying langauge. I would feel sorry for you in a way, but you are not worth the thought. As I said, your responses are amusing, so PLEASE keep it up. I know you will try 'gaslighting' me, but that is par for the course in China when a difficult question is asked !!

May 18, 2021 15:45 Report Abuse

sorrel

congratulations. you are officially a sex pest by asking for content of a sexual nature to be posted. you have really out-done yourself. All I have wanted to do is warn women that there is a very high chance that they will be sexually harassed in China, especially if they are foreign, and all you have done is press me for 'evidence' of sexual nature to be posted to you. You are EXACTLY the problem to warn women about. The sad thing is that you will probably never see that you have a serious problem when it comes to women. no doubt in your mind all women 'deserve' to be harassed.

May 19, 2021 13:38 Report Abuse

sorrel

seeing as you like to copy/paste, here are reports of sexual harassment in China.............................https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/article/2153965/sex-pests-subway-china-finally-cracking-down

May 19, 2021 13:39 Report Abuse

sorrel

https://www.ucanews.com/news/shocking-sexual-harassment-of-female-chinese-journalists/81740

May 19, 2021 13:44 Report Abuse

sorrel

even Chinese students are speaking out against harassment: https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20180120042451796

May 19, 2021 13:45 Report Abuse

sorrel

so you are the 'victim' now? You know a bit of courtesy while interacting online engenders courtesy. I have maintained a civil manner, while there are some posters who go directly to insults and name-calling in an attempt to stop a conversation. Now YOU are behaving like a sex pest, no better than the men who harass women on the street. Warning women who visit China to be aware and careful of this problem is what women do to help each other , yet you seem indifferent to this. By shouting 'racist' and 'Bully' you are no better than the men who shout obscenities after women in the street so you are hardly in a position to play 'victim'. here is another link - which i know you will enjoy.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-sexual-harassment-suit-may-test-the-reach-of-metoo-in-china

May 19, 2021 13:54 Report Abuse

sorrel

"Survey released on eve of International Women's Day reveals more than 80 percent have suffered workplace abuse" ....................... https://www.ucanews.com/news/shocking-sexual-harassment-of-female-chinese-journalists/81740#

May 19, 2021 13:56 Report Abuse

sorrel

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-china-a-metoo-case-gets-its-day-in-court-11606963859

May 19, 2021 13:58 Report Abuse

sorrel

I have worked in most European countries, but it was only in China that I was sexually harassed on the streets every day. Could it be that in Europe, men don't tolerate this behaviour, yet in China men get VERY upset and defensive when anyone complains about it. What is more, in China men (in a really creepy way) don't see anything wrong in this and get VERY upset when women complain. There is a term for this, but as I don't indulge in name-calling online, (it being a sign of poor manners) and you like to do internet searches, you can find this out for yourself.

May 19, 2021 14:02 Report Abuse

sorrel

and you are behaving like a typical sex pest, those who i have ben describing. how do you want the evidence? i REALLY must have triggered something in you if you deny the experience of THOUSANDS of women. Your continued 'demand' for evidence says it all about your attitude to women. You are upset when I say China is not safe for foreign women, yet you give me no indication you are concerned about nothing other than your 'hurt feelings' when I recount not only my experience but share the experience of many, including those who have had their experience brought to public attention via news channels. but no doubt you are prepared to believe MANY things you don't experience directly without 'evidence', but because my comments challenge your perception of China's safety you are prepared to deny something that is clearly outside your experience. Maybe it is BECASUE I DARE to question things about life in China that you are so 'upset; and 'demanding'. I have sent you a few of the MANY news reports of sexual harassment in China. But you will probably ignore them, because they are an inconvenient truth, and will continue to behave like the very sex-pest that I have described.

May 19, 2021 14:16 Report Abuse

sorrel

I will take your comments as a badge of honour. Truth usually receives such responses as yours.

May 19, 2021 14:18 Report Abuse

sorrel

I rest my case. I suppose you would not believe your sister/mother/cousin/girl-friend/wife either. no woman would give such evidence to anyone other than a police official or a lawyer if not personally known to someone. To me you are no better than the perverts who harass women on the street. And you certainly are not a good example of a Chinese man (if that is what you are), or ANY man. To continually ask for such evidence puts a man in the same category of those who get sexual gratification from watching porn. Is that what you need? It is sad when a man has to resort to harassing women online to feel good about themselves. Whereas caring enough about strangers to warn them that this (sexual harassment on the street) happens, and how to keep themselves safe is the human thing to do.

May 19, 2021 14:35 Report Abuse

sorrel

I don't need to go to my embassy, All I need to do is bring this interaction to my local police station and take things from there. The internet is a great thing, and the police can do so much about determining the location of the abuser/harasser. Thankfully the police in my country take this sort of online content seriously and tolerance is low. You can call me all the names you want, and abuse me all you want. At the end of the day your words do nothing but reflect on you and your character, as keeping civil online, even with someone you disagree with, is VERY easy. It is rule no.1 of the internet - keep it cilvi (which not only have I done, but I have also advised you to do so)

May 19, 2021 14:40 Report Abuse

sorrel

good to know i made an impact. maybe you will be more aware of your behavior on the street, and the behavior of other men towards women. You have been irrelevant to me the whole time, just a source of entertainment and amusement. Have a nice day.

May 19, 2021 14:43 Report Abuse

sorrel

good to know you still care enough to respond. Adults can accept difficult conversations on difficult topics. Children get upset easily and resort to name calling in an attempt to close a conversation. I really like the 'no i'm not you are' response. This is another way people try to close a conversation. PLEASE keep it up. I am not ashamed for wanting women to be aware to keep themselves safe in China. Do you want women, both foreign and local women to be safe in China? Do you want then to be aware of what treatment to expect from strangers in China and how best to protect themselves? Do you even LIKE women enough to care about their safety, especially strangers who you have not met, and probably won't meet? Do you not consider the sexual harassment of women a problem? Do you not CARE about the safety of women in China? I don't really expect you to answer any of these questions because you will default to the 'hurt' position. Caring about 51% of the world's population seems to offend some people - why is that? Just asking.......

May 19, 2021 14:56 Report Abuse

sorrel

Don't you even LIKE women enough to care about their safety? a simple question that only needs either a 'yes/no' answer. And all you can do is lash out with abuse. If you had actually engaged on responding (in a civil manner) I am sure you would leave a better impression. But you took the route of personal attacks and name calling. was this the adult response? I am sure you feel safe behind your key-board in the knowledge that you can abuse total strangers with no consequences. what a man !! In my opinion no better than the sex-pests on the streets.

May 19, 2021 15:00 Report Abuse

sorrel

please more of the same. you do no one any disservice than yourself. All I need to do is bring this conversation to the police, they will do the rest. I have no worries about my local police - they take online harassment seriously. Just like they take all sexual harassment seriously. the more you abuse, the more evidence I have. please prove that i am spreading lies - where is YOUR evidence? I really think i have touched a nerve with you as you are progressively getting more abusive. Do you really NOT care about women that you will behave like this online ?

May 19, 2021 15:11 Report Abuse

sorrel

just keep it up. You will probably feel better expressing yourself like this online - especially if you have a problem expressing yourself to someone face to face.

May 19, 2021 15:13 Report Abuse

sorrel

on the contrary, I had a great experience of China and have many Chinese 'brothers' and 'sisters' , it was only the constant sexual harassment on the streets I did not like. Good to know you are an internet 'psychologist' I should be thankful. Thanks for caring ;o) Now all you need to do is care about the women who experience sexual harassment and give them the benefit or your (ahem) copy/paste psychology solutions - maybe you could also ask all of them for evidence too ! You are the gift that keeps on giving.

May 19, 2021 15:27 Report Abuse

sorrel

the more you ;demand' evidence the more creepy you seem. But maybe you enjoy this. What do you call someone who looks for sexual material online from strangers? You are good at looking for things online, and I notice you ignore all the documented evidence of court cases involving sexual harassment in China! Still on the name calling too! Are you going to prosecute the men who sexually harass women in China? Just asking because otherwise you are just behaving like those men. Are getting some sort of sexual gratification from asking for 'evidence'? By ignoring all my questions and behaving like a broken record, you are EXACTLY like the men who enjoy harassing women. Is that what you want people to think?

May 19, 2021 15:34 Report Abuse

sorrel

please prove me a liar, about incidents that occurred years ago. By persisting in demanding evidence, it seems to me that you get some sort of sexual gratification yourself out of this. Is this what it is? You masturbating in anticipation of pictures of me being sexually harassed? Is that why you keep demanding 'evidence' ? here is a hint - go to a brothel - there at least you can keep your preferences more private - again I am not judging you on this.

May 19, 2021 15:37 Report Abuse