We frequently see adverts on the web the prescribed foreigner teacher an institution willing to employ. Most of them requires what they called "Native speakers", and also nationals from some shortlisted countries such as: UK, America, canada, Australia, Ireland and New Zealand. These institutions including the China Education Bureau shortlisted these nationals as eligible or capable to teach the English language well. Which is ToTALLY WRONG. They have absolutely negative ideas about the word "TEACHER".
(1) The China Education Bureau
There's a provision or regulation from the Education Bureau, especially in the Guangdong province Nationals qualify to be a Foreign English teacher. They think these above shortlisted nationals are NATIVE SPEAKERS, or English is their official language, so they can teach the language well.. Expats not from these shortlisted countries are describe as NON- NATIVE SPEAKERS and are disqualified. So in Cities such as: Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Foshan etc.and even across the country, the Education Bureau don't give permit or foreign expat certificate to Nationals described as NON- NATIVE SPEAKERS. Nowadays, passport holders of philippine, Italians, Ukriane, Sweden, Germany etc, nationals from the european and American countries are also eligible because they clam their official language is English. Whiles Expat from African continent are still in the disqualified list.
Question (1): Which nationals are native speaker of English ?
The answer is: British. They are the only nation in the world prescribed as English.
Question (2): Are nationals from America, canada, Australia, Ireland and New Zealand native speaker of English ?
The answer is: NO ! These countries have their own native culture and local languges. They're non-native speakers of English. Its only that they use English as their offical language
Question (3): which local languages does native American, canadaian, Australian, Ireland and New Zealand speak?
The answer Is:
Americans speaks: Dine' Bizaad also know as Navajo, Cherokee, Cree, Ojibwa, Dakota, Apache, Blackfoot and Choctaw.
Australians speaks: french, russian, german, italian, japanese, cambodian, thai Arabic, Greek, Mandarin, Cantonese and Vietnamese
New Zealand speaks: Maori
Ireland speak: Irish Gaelic
Canadian speaks: french
Question (4) If these nationals qualifies because their official language is English, then are there no nations in Africa that uses English as their official language ?
The answer is: there are ! There are about 18 English speaking countries in Africa : Ghana, kenya, Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa, Nigeria, cameroon, Botswana, Gambia, Eritrea, Liberia, Malawi, Mauritius, saint Helena, Seychelles, Swaziland, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.
Question (5) If these countries also use English as official language , why the China Education Bureau still disqualified them to teach English in China ?
The answer is: some suggests: Racist, color, nationality, continent,, Reputation. But the exact answer still remains unknown !
(2) The institutions
99% of the school which employ foreign teachers in China are private own institutions. They prefer employing the white teachers because of advertisement. Just to showcase that they have white foreign teacher from (this or that country) in their school in the sense of requesting much money from the parents. They think African or black teachers aren't marketable. These schools don't really focus on the quality of teaching the Children English. Because most of those whites aren't profesional teachers. they can't even teach.
Another reason is that, because the Education bureau disqualities profesional African teachers and don't give them expat certificate, the institutions choose to employ unprofessional teachers from those shortlisted countries.
But all these opinions are totally wrong ! Because A teacher is a profession. It has absolutely nothing to do with which country or nation the person comes from or which race or ethnicity the person is. So far us the person is a professional teacher and has teaching skills and qualifications, he/she must be eligible to do the job. But not in China.... hahahaha
(3) Pronunciation;
Chinese think people from African have non-standard or bad accent because they compare English to their "chinese ping yin" that "one word" has four different vowels and four different meanings. But hey, that idea is totally Wrong ! English is a neutral language, with different country with different vowels and accent. In America, two Americans speak two different accents. those described as native speakers all have defferent accents. If So, then where is the standard accent here ?
(4) Racism and discrimination
This is one thing I don't think it can be wiped out of this world. So what we are seeing today started many years back. Even America that has 14% blacks of the U.S population, racism still persists. So hey, keep your fingers cross and do your own thing!
My worst worry is: the Chinese parents are just paying huge price for no outcome. And also building a wrong education foundation in the next generation.
(5) My advice to the China Education bureau:
If other countries students can learn and speak English, Chinese students can do too. But their current option will never help. The china education bureau should seek advice from professional English teachers, the best and easiest method to learn the English language. They should encourage their institutions to empoly professional and skillful English teachers, Employing NATIVE SPEAKER is just a scrap !
Thank you !
Destiny Eric.
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Although I can understand the discrepancies that 'destinyeric' portrays and there is a 'real' and felt anti-black racialism feeling in China, some of the 'generalizations' suggested or accepted are quite amusing. Basically, to be able to function well as a 'FET' (Foreign Expert Teacher) you should have these basic requirements; A deep understanding of the English language. A better than average grammatical ability and a clear pronunciation or tonal voice quality. Preferred would be a solid 'Tesol' or 'Celta' certificate (the 4 week in classroom one not an 'online' course) and a Bachelors Degree. Although the degree is only to show a certain level of academic proficiency not particularly an enhanced ability to be able to 'teach'. During my time as a FET I have met lots of different types of 'teachers', University grads who are simply looking for a years paid vacation, adventure seekers who have stayed to pay their way, Retirees who want to 'bump' their pensions, and some who wish to improve their own Chinese language ability. Humbly I would state that any 'non-native' English speakers (those whose primary school learning language wasn't English or English isn't the main language spoken outside of the classroom)or who have an presiding 'accent' i.e French, Russian, Italian etc. are the types that the Chinese Education Bureau are trying to disqualify as a FET. As a conclusion, if the supposedly qualified FET is sitting opposite me and I am having difficulty understanding him/her either because of their accent or terrible use of the English language, then I feel I would support the CEB and its actions.
May 24, 2015 11:01 Report Abuse
Huh, you've got me on that one, where does it say that non-native English speakers are qualified? I thought that was only UK, America, Australia, Canada and New Zealand? As for the rest, in my experience they are only employed by agencies or 'private' training / teaching schools. Such schools don't usually have the proper license/certificate to employ Foreign Teachers anyway, which allows this black market (or illegal) system to take what they can get!Can you honestly and seriously state that your ONLY native tongue is English? That when you return home the prevalent language spoken is English. I don't think their 'colour' or looks would disqualify them at all, but sadly, the only fellow teachers I have met, capable of conversing accurately and clearly in English are those from the 5 stated countries. I have met such other teachers who are clearly more intellectual or intelligent and hold higher degrees, but if we remain within the confines of your original argument, why the CEB don't recognise people other than those from the 5 stated countries as 'native' English speakers, I don't see any argument you offer holding water.
May 29, 2015 16:48 Report Abuse
Africans should not be considered native speakers....because they are not....
May 21, 2015 09:58 Report Abuse
How exactly do you know anything about what is happening in MY classes and how interested MY students are and how well MY students perform when you have never seen any of MY classes. Maybe the foreign teachers that you see are terrible, there are a lot of them in China and I doubt that anyone will deny that. But to say that every teacher in China has never advised there place of work on how to be better, or that every teachers' classes are bad and the students are not learning anything and that every teacher is not performing is clearly false. I can only speak for myself but I am an Australian with a degree in Education with a focus on teaching ESL, I also have a graduate certificate in TESOL that took me an additional six months to complete at university and included two different practical components. I prepare all my lessons well in advance and in great detail and once I have completed a lesson I go through an analyse what worked and didn't work and adjust it accordingly. Also at the end of each year I look back and think about my general teaching style and if there are any areas that I think I can improve in. I also make a point of watching and talking to other teachers whenever I can to see if there are any strategies of theirs that I can implement in my classes. I know for a fact that I am performing my job as well as I can and the students' results bear that out. I also know that the satisfaction of both the school that I work for and the parents of the students I teach is incredibly high. While I don't deny that there are teachers in China that coast (or are simply bad) there are many teachers like myself that are highly qualified or highly motivated (or both!) and provide an excellent service to their students. So please, as I said before, stop painting with such a broard brush, if you want to tear into foreign teachers for being bad or unqualified don't pretend that this is representative of all foreign teachers, it is some, it might even be most, but it is certaintly not all. And if you ever want things to change then you need there to be good teachers doing the right thing in order for schools and parents to tell the difference, so don't insult all the hard working teachers simply beacuse you have an axe to grind with the system.
May 20, 2015 19:19 Report Abuse
Thank you for taking almost 3 months to answer my long and detailed post with something you read on the back of a fortune cookie once. Come back with a real response that adresses my points if you want a real debate. I assume you won't as can be seen in your pervious responses you just say what you want to say and ignore others who disprove your points
Jul 12, 2015 23:48 Report Abuse
Hey Destinyeric,,,the success rate for learning language in schools is about 10 percent,,,not just in china,,,,everywhere! Why? Because language is taught backwards in schools. Soooooo, if you go to school to learn how to teach language,,you are taught the same way as you learned,,,the wrong way. Welcome to the ridiculous world we live in. Instead of changing the way we teach to match what research proves,,,we just keep doing it the same way because,,"the guys with the degrees must know what they're doing" ....The definition of ignorance is,,"doing the same thing over and over again,and expecting a different result! But we just keep on doing it,,In China because everyone is afraid to initiate any kind of change. I have sat in meetings in Chinese schools, and when asked what I think, I quote statistics from language research. They all look at me like I'm crazy. Change takes people out of their comfort zones, and teachers are scared of trying something different. Maybe because they were taught to shut up and do it this way,,,maybe for fear of losing their jobs...But all I see is the same crap over and over again,,or, at best, trying to do what another school is doing. This is ignorance at it's best. The best school I have seen in China has no foreign teachers,,the students listen, repeat, and answer holes in conversations, and in less than one year, two classes a week, they speak conversational english better than most teachers I have met with ten years or better experience learning the wrong way. Is there racism in China? sure! Is the school board in cHina corrupt? You bet it is!,as corrupt as any government anywhere in the world. But that' not why students aren't learning the language. Language results are worst in an uptight, controlled, test driven atmosphere,,,and China is living proof of it. We all know that even students who ace tests can't speak. So, we can start teaching them to speak first,,,the proper way, then to read and write later,,,,or you can just teach them about the language(the old way) for 12 grueling years and hope they pick it up in that time....Maybe you can het the success rate up to 20 percent that way.
May 19, 2015 07:35 Report Abuse
I find myself coming back to this page now, for pure shock and awe at the incredulous way you present your case, yet i still want to engage. More fool me, maybe i'm hoping you'll use big boy thinking at some stage and see the point we are all making. Everyone is in agreement with one sentence - 'Employing non-professional teachers just because of appearance is wrong in Education'. Boom stop there. Job done. But you can't can you? It's like you seem to think it's some illuminatti - world order-esk attempt at a cover up or maybe race supremacy from the past attempting a resurgence? - I don't know, i don't know your life and experiences so couldn't intelligently ( would it matter...) comprehend your perception. For the love of the spaghetti monster at the bottom of the sea and one more time for the cheap seats at the back!! The language they want to learn is English. English is is from the SOCIAL ( please , i cant explain it again). Their view of this particular social is the 'white lao wai' crap that we all cant stand because they are familiar with it, through exposure!!! Association of a social group with appearances like skin color is through generalisation of perceptions!!! Think of the UK people and what comes to mind, pasty white folk, bad teeth, maybe ginger or blond hair, all desperate for a tan we cant get because of the weather!! haha Mediterranean folk - tanned sun loving lucky folk with great food!! But these personal views of mine are not the same as wee Jimmy McTavish next door or everyone in the UK so it is not a law. The law is this case for us as ESL teachers in China says you must be from these places/groups etc to be applicable based on everything i've said before. There is no accounting for personal generalisations within. That's the choice of a business owner unfortunately. All that together does leave some slight problems with individuals who have a mother tongue of english language but do not come from the Political!! Do you honestly expect a country's immigration policy to be as specific as a personal 1-1 case by case method of screening. I'd love to see that conversation: He says he's a native speaker, ok, how do we know? Lets ask him to chat with his mum or dad? Lets ask him to tell us all about his life? Maybe get someone we dont know to sign a bit of paper in his home country to prove it? Do they speak English there? oh they don't? but it's an offical language, what's the schooling language is it? blah blah fecking blah...OR lets get some data on where English is blah blah etc etc!!! Having a degree or whatever bit of paper they deem acceptable gives license to be a teacher as designated by the group. It doesnt make you an effective or good teacher it just allows/reassures/gives confidence to others to know that you have sufficient knowledge of the subject. Doctor 1 - never been to med school a day in his life but tells you honestly and reassuringly he is a great doctor. Doctor 2 - 7 years training in med school and works in a hospital - who do you pick to operate on your kid? I can't believe i am still trying to explain this!! hahaha I'm done. Shouldn've listened to the comment from earlier. Dont argue with idiots!! (with an IQ! haha).
May 18, 2015 15:44 Report Abuse
This post simply proves you can't use logic to debate with an idiot. One thing is certain, the OP is definitely not a native English speaker. Period.
May 17, 2015 23:36 Report Abuse
Actually, an idiot is someone who doesn't use common sense. You wrote a long winding tirade about how non-native English speakers should have the same teaching opportunities as native speakers. In that sense, I agreed with you. Perhaps you were unfairly treated by a hiring manager sometime in the past. However, the rest of your arguments lack any semblance to logic. As for my IQ… I’ll let other posters be the judge of that. You, on the other hand, seem a bit too emotional and in my honest opinion, are hardly qualified to make that determination.
May 20, 2015 09:52 Report Abuse
Hey Destiny Eric, I had a look through this and looked at this point pretty objectively as possible and you have a valid argument to an extent but for the love of God, what are you doing? Allow me to explain: Your biggest failure throughout is that you lack the ability to articulate concisely what you are trying to convey. You lack clarity with the terms you are trying to put across and use them incorrectly. Trying to comprehend it, I am confident that your objection is that current legislation regarding the overriding criteria for which an ESL language teacher's ability is judged on, is without merit in two/three categories: 1. The classification of the term 'native speaker' 2. The country of origin from which the term 'native speaker' is associated with and who has owernership/validity of this classification of 'native speaker' 3. A native teacher (choose classification - mother tongue or origin) does not merit the term as teacher solely on this classification. Straight off the bat, and without even needing to look at any literature to confirm, you have made an assumption that puts your argument dangerously close to invalid. You are attaching the term 'native' in contexts that are confusing yourself. I'll need to throw in just a little terminology to help clarity. The socio-geographic and political context has been overlapped. Socio - is the social, a society, and 1 classification of a society's identity ( among many others like, laws, custom, tradition, religion etc,) is yep, the mother tongue - language-. Stay with me here. This is different from the geographic term to the word native, which is 'origin of' or something of similar semantic nature, your reference to Native Americans for a quick example are the people who lived (natively, by geogrpahy) on the land before the social and therefore before the influence of the language and 'native tongue) - You still with me? Now look at the spread of the English language - it is the social and geographical becoming amalgamated together as the native social slowly absorb the native geographical. Last little point about it, the social, and geographical become one as the social seeks to outline and border its geographical location - hence countries. Within these countries there are laws that govern the social and in our particular case ESL teachers. So when a country decides to classify a speaker as 'native English, they do so in terms of the socio-geographic and political nature and not the terminology or semantic definition of 'native' Because you have failed to grasp this concept you fly off into wild accusatory assumptions about, eligibility and qualification, moral and ethical as the basis for your argument. You are latching onto this as proof that 'teachers' are determined by their skin color or nationality in recruitment. It is just not. There are other requirements like a degree, TESOL etc which are deemed by the 'laws of the social' as adequate in terms of suitably qualified teachers of ESL. If this is adequate enough, claimed is true or not is for the research. Unfortunately, Chinese law does not put in place legal requirements for personal opinion or choice, therefore decisions bsaed in terms of age, race gender, etc are applied subjectively to businesses within ESL. This choice and personal opinion can stem from many mitigating factors of unfounded or misguided prejudice and you are right to argue some of these, like race, color, culture, pronunciation ( you say they think its not good - its only not good by their perception of good, because of familiarity with your pronunciation, it'd be the same, if the countries were vice versa) of sounds then too i guess if they say that too you. But to broadly sweep and appear to call everyone and living thing in China, racist, xenophobia etc is a stretch. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with the notion that everywhere no matter where has some from of it - but man you exhibit a lot of it yourself throughout this paper. A lot of public choice is just purely down to exposure and familiarity. The spread of English was greatly influenced by the likes of entertainment industries, eg, Disney and Hollywood and the spread of 'westernism' in other forms such as music blah blah. This lead to exposure and a sense of familiarity that we unfortunately do not have with other nations in terms of culture and language ( broadly speaking). The only point i will agree with you on is 1 but man it's embedded well in there. The laws of the social and the requirements of a ESL teacher are prohibiting well qualified 'non native speaker' English teachers to China, which deprives China of a skilled workforce, but that is the choice of the social. To try and blame the eligible teachers ( deemed eligible by the social remember) and highlight peas in a pod examples of 'drug dealers' 'Chinese want 'white' etc etc in an attempt to admonish you're own discriminatory viewpoint by appearing 'concerned' and emancipate the ineligible teachers in the hope to influence the social - as you have done throughout this entire pile of tripe is exactly the bias you claim is being served - Racist - just choose your own particular subcategory. Shameful! English classification as an official language by A, B, and C countries. No country is under any obligation to accept another country's standard definition of anything and that includes what a country determines as an official language in name or not. Also, for you to call English a neutral language is unbelievably vague and without question, categorically, in an argument for and against a topic within ESL, among expected readers with expertise in the language, about as useful and welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. You had positives: Sort of managed to be clear that the Chinese are missing good qualified teachers because of poor legislation. Highlighted racial inequalities between non white and white workforce showing favourability examples. Negatives to be worked on: 5 questions - 5 extremely poorly articulated attempts at answers. Sweeping, generalist, derogatory statements throughout vague anecdotes, 'teaching is profession' well done. but if i want a physics teacher i don't ask for a swimming teacher. To be honest mate, the general overview of what you are saying had its points but for goodness sake man. You ranted and raved, called people'homeless' etc and druggies blah blah then attempted redemption by claiming to defend China's poor long suffering parents and the money they spend, for sub par education that will affect their offspring for generations to come. Look at me, i'm sensitive to the need, its those pesky whites you should be worrying about! What the hell man?? Look at your point 'my worst worry'. Just be honest, its not your worst worry, you said 1 sentence about Chinese and money and it was to highlight the effect on you. Your worst worry is your are not being afforded the same chances as others, who may or may not be as qualified as you, and for reasons you cannot change, you are discriminated against - which my friend, is a much more damn plausible worst fear for any one of us!! I'd certainly not be ashamed to write about it and express discontent. Just next time, do it without attack and at the expense of others, here just simply doing something we bloody want to do. Do it with a bit more dignity, class and in depth knowledge of the subject at hand. You are after all, a teacher and you rightly put it 'teaching is a profession'. Goodnight.
May 17, 2015 03:44 Report Abuse
Wow, Swing and a miss buddy. 1. - the social, as explained about tell you it all. If you cant understand..well... 2 - absolutely nothing. I agreed with you. 3 - I'm sitting next to one right now. A question to you: Does skin color or race have a factor in the 'legal' process in terms of visa acceptance? Does skin color or race have a factor in the individual selection process of candidates? Is nationality ( A social 'construction' from the absorption of geographical and social in to a political - see above) a factor in the visa process? Last question: Do you really have a degree? I cant see how you can fail to comprehend what is being said to you.
May 17, 2015 18:54 Report Abuse
You are painting with a very broard brush here. Yes there are probably people here from America or England (or Australia where I am from) that came to China because it provided more opportunities than were available at home. However to say that everyone is here because of desperation is clearly untrue. Some people are here for adventure, some people are here because they like the lifestyle, some people (like myself came her because this is their partners' home) and there are more possible reasons. But the major problem of your blog is the assertation that many African countries have the same level of native English speaking as America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Let's focus on Australia considering that is where I can speak to the best. White settlers arrived in Australia in 1788 and they all came from England where they and their ancestors spoke English. When they arrived in Australia they continued to speak English until this day where we speak basially British English with some small differences that developed over the last 200 years. As of the last census 81% of Australian's speak only English at home, there is no second language in Australia, the second most popular language spoken at home is Chinese with 1.7%. Many of the African countries that you mentioned have offical and unnoffical second (or even third or fourth) languages and in some cases English might be the offical language of the government but not necessarily of the people. Either way the level of English speaking in African countries is nowhere near the level of which it is in Australia. This does not mean that untrained Australians will automatically make better teachers, they won't necessarily, but you statement of native English and English fluency is just not true. To be perfectly clear, Australian's speak English, for locals or immigrants alike and to say that we have our own native culture and languages is frankly stupid. Of course we have our distinct culture (although one born out of and forever linked to British culture) but our native language is English not "russian, german, italian, japanese, cambodian, thai Arabic, Greek, Mandarin, Cantonese and Vietnamese". Many of those nationalities you mentioned (completely ignoring Australian Aboriginal languages)have very small numbers of immigrants of Australia and the two largest, Greek and Italian, have been in Australia for so long now that English has long become their native language. I went to a school that was about 25% Italian, some of them could not even speak Italian at all and those who could did not speak it at home and their fluency was less than in English. The only reason that Chinese ranks so high in main language spoken at home is because Chinese immigration to Australia is relatively recent and therefore they have not had time to fully assimilate. But once the children of parents moved to Australia start having children of their own the first language will switch from Chinese to English, just like it has done with Italian and Greek. No one is going to disagree with you that appearance is important in China, especially for being an English teacher. It is terrible that a person born and raised in England/America/Australia etc who happens to have brown or black skin would have a much harder time finding a job than a white person, on that there is no debate. And just because someone is a native English speaker does not mean that they will be a good teacher or preferable to a trained teacher from Africa or Asia that does not have the right look. If that had been how far you took this point then there would have been little debate, however other than that point, which everyone in China already knows, the rest of your argument is ridiculous.
May 13, 2015 19:49 Report Abuse
I think you misread my post, no where did I say that someone changes from a native speaker of one language to a native speaker of another language. I said that immirgrants come to Australia with their native language and then their children speak English and possibly their parents native language also. But then when they get married and have children of their own they lose the language of the grandparents and only speak English. They are native English speakers. Regarding your second point that is exactly what I said so I'm not sure why you are repeapting it back to me. But I would also add if you have a choice between a native English speaker that has a degree in Education a person who has a degree in Education but is from an African country, particulary the African countries you mentioned that were not South Africa, then picking the native English speaker is clearly the best option. So if you really care about China giving students the best results then you should be advising to only hire native English speakers with degrees in Education because their fluency, accent and most importantly cultural understanding will be better than that of an African English teacher.
May 14, 2015 16:02 Report Abuse
That's a huge generalization and very wrong. I am here because I choose to, I make more than most people do back in my home country running my business. Many people come here to explore the world and being offered a job and free accommodations that allows you to do so doesn't mean you are "poor, homeless and desperate". You live inside your box if you like, just don't come creeping out with that kind of dribble.
May 15, 2015 14:25 Report Abuse
No one deserves to have dug addicts as their teachers that goes without saying (if any of what you said is even true as you provided no links to the story) but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about and for that matter crime is not limited to only white people. There are good and bad people of all races and to use this story as evidence that China should hire African teachers over white teachers is crazy. Even if there were Australian and New Zealand teachers that were also invloved with drugs that does not mean that all foreign white teachers are. At this point it is very clear that you are just pushing an agenda, white bad African good, and while you may actually believe what you are saying it simply is not true.
May 15, 2015 23:13 Report Abuse
The problem is that China is not willing to pay as much as neighboring countries (South Korea, Japan, even Vietnam pays more). If they want qualified and experienced ESL teachers they will have to pay for it. No teacher in his right mind will come to a heavily polluted country with censored internet and rampant xenophobia for 10000 or 15000RMB per month, even with free accommodation.
May 12, 2015 13:59 Report Abuse
I sure hope you are not a teacher. Your grammar and spelling are horrible. As for England being the only true "native" English speakers...NOT! You point out American Indians in America as disqualifiers. Perhaps you should look into your own history to see where your ancestors came from to populate England. The point that China is making about native speakers is that English is our PRIMARY language in our countries. We are taught English as our first language. Not to mention, Chinese authorities and people are racist against many other Asians and dark skinned people. But, that is a whole different matter to discuss.
May 10, 2015 16:55 Report Abuse
This was an insightful article and well researched. I agree with the points that native Americans are not native English speaking, in fact most Americans speak a strange form of the language that could hardly be described as native English.
May 24, 2015 09:16 Report Abuse
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