‘E’ is for ‘Elephant in the Room’: The Stigma of English Teaching in China

 ‘E’ is for ‘Elephant in the Room’: The Stigma of English Teaching in China
Mar 07, 2011 By Mark Turner , eChinacities.com

English teacher – there I said it. It seems that the words “English teacher” have gained four-letter-word-status in many expat circles. Why is it that the ESL is virtually a taboo subject for some people?

Imagine, if you will, a scene on the expat social circuit. It’s a Saturday night and a gang of foreign friends are gathering in a bar; some of them are now meeting new acquaintances. One such pair are having the exact conversation they have previously engaged in hundreds of times. They start by introducing themselves, first by name, then their place of origin, then there’s a deathly silence, “So what do you do?” There’s a pause, barely perceptible to the less socially aware – or the more “socially lubricated”.

For a split second, the pair stare into their drinks or perhaps light a Zhongnanhai looking anywhere but where their eyes should be gazing. In the corner of the room, in fact filling a good portion of it – somewhere between the bar and the fire exit – is a heaving, leathery skinned, bristle haired pachyderm, straining to run wild like a bull in a china shop, or indeed, an elephant in a bar, itching to trample people and their feelings with its big stubby feet.

That’s right; that’s the elephant. It isn’t a real one, though that wouldn’t surprise me, having seen a real, live and very agitated reindeer in a Beijing night club at Christmas time (the depths which bar owners plumb for a tacky gimmick now fails to surprise me, sadly).

No. The imaginary elephant, on this occasion, goes by the name “English Teaching”.

This might sound like a silly disconnected narrative. But I think that most people having lived in a large Chinese city with a significant ex-pat community will have witnessed this exact situation a number of times. When it comes to discussions about peoples identities on the expat circuit – certainly in Beijing – people are very tentative when discussing their own occupations with strangers. This kind of aversion or tip toeing around the subject seems to be something that very few people acknowledge. This to me, is a kind of puzzle.

Nobody can deny that the selflessness inherent in a profession that involves helping others realize their goals and contribute to a society is an admirable one. I don’t even need to start talking about China being a Confucian society or other such triteness to get my point across. Teachers should, in theory, be treated well in China.

Almost everyone can remember at least one teacher, whom, when they were a school kid or student, did something memorable and helped them grow as a person. Most people can think back and remember a teacher reaching out to them in a way which they will never forget. So shouldn’t teachers get a little more respect?

The problem lies in the nature of much teaching work in China. Recruitment for the large part involves a kind of fast turn over, revolving doors style policy, and the prime requisite for candidates at many schools is to bear Caucasian features, a China visa with six months left on it, and little else. This means that many ESL teachers are more like status symbols or trophies for schools rather than valued members of staff, without any real responsibilities or input into the affairs of the school. Some might even go as far as arguing that the only qualification some teachers hold is that of speaking their own mother tongue.  

I might hazard a guess that this lack of reverence for teachers by people within Chinese companies dealing with foreign teachers as well as some students and their parents, is in part to do with jealousy rooted in perceived injustices in wages; foreign teachers get paid lots of money for doing an “easy” job. Few people probably see the psychic ‘trade-off’ that foreigners accept to get their 10k plus a month job.

It is also likely, in part, a symptom of a get-rich-quick and a “tread-on-anyone’s-fingers-whilst-you-are-trying-to-scramble-up-the-ladder” mentality. Teachers are dealt with in an ‘ad hoc’ way; people forget to see teaching endeavors as having their own intrinsic value and tend to see teachers instead as cash cows. (Apologies for lack of continuity, but the elephant metaphor was becoming played out)

The nature of ESL work is such that it has great potential for attracting gap year students, people that want an easy ride and people that have found it difficult to find other work.

Conversely: for other people, teaching English in China is a stepping stone, or a means for gaining more free time so as to pursue their own education or artistic goals. There are also, don’t forget, the naturally talented teachers. There are clearly many motivations for ESL teaching. People do however seem to enjoy tarring ESL teachers with the same brush and I would even go as far as to say that this has a negative impact on the self-image of teachers..

I think that a lot of hostility towards English teachers is directed at them from two kinds of people: Half-pats that came to China as students or English teachers and have been unable to shed their ‘teacher complex’ despite having moved into a new field; there are also those higher up the expat ‘food chain’, the business people and expat packagers that are jealous of young English teachers for the fact that they came to China out of their own choice and curiosity and are enjoying a relatively stress free life, not yet worrying about assets and the career ladder.

Judgment of people on the basis of their occupation seems to be a part of expat life in China, a phenomena I have never been so acutely aware of anywhere else in the world. As a final thought, maybe these insecurities are inevitable for an expat population in a country such as China, where hierarchical systems are so deeply ingrained.

Related links
Teaching in China: What Can it Get You?
China Beyond the Blackboard: Finding Jobs Besides Teaching
Right Country Wrong Job: 5 Common Problems for Teachers Coming to China

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Shaun

Teaching can be ok, and living on 10,000a month is easy in Nanning, Changsha, and other second tier cities. Obviously no good in Shanghai, if I lived there to teach I'd want 20,000 a month and a free and clean, fairly modern apartment.

However, like I said in another post, I don't think ESL teaching is a good option for younger Western men. Come to China at 22 pr 23 and teach for 10 years, you will be unemployed back home, and you may need to go back, remember we could all be kicked out of here sometime in the future.

I think there really is NOTHING WRONG AT ALL with teaching English in China, but to say it is a career is a bit of a stretch!

Sep 18, 2012 23:27 Report Abuse

jixiang

I think the way you speak about Chinese food is rather superficial. Of course I wouldn't want to eat the sort of Chinese food you eat in cheap restaurants or off streeet stalls every day, it's unhygienic and often quite horrible. On the other hand, the sort of Chinese food that Chinese people eat at home is actually very nice and healthy as well, in fact it's healthier than your average Western diet of the kind "you were raised on". If you can learn to cook Chinese food, there's no reason not to eat it at home every day. And by the way, 10,000 Yuan a month is enough to live reasonably in a Chinese city, as long as you haven't got children to support.

Apr 25, 2013 16:53 Report Abuse

jixiang

Come on, how is Chinese cooking not a culinary art? The variety of dishes and ingredients used is huge (although of course it is a big country). I find it to be both varied and delicious, at least when it's done properly. It may reflect the traditional poverty of the Chinese peasant, but that doesn't mean it has to be bad or unhealthy. Plus French cooking is famous, and it's not as if French peasants have been rich for most of the last 5000 years. That is why they also have a tradition of eating frogs, snails and other animals most europeans won't go near.

Jun 06, 2013 17:03 Report Abuse

Bei LI

Agree with you Chris! I got to study in university in the USA and yes I would not consider such a job. I returned home last year and am now the assistant program director at a language school. I will tell you first hand the english teachers we hire are not the same foreign people I met during my time in the USA. In the USA even a average person can afford to buy a home of 200 square meters, even a small land to go along with it! A middle class american can live a life even a rich man here cannot dream of.
Many teachers say how they like chinese girls and they hate american girls. This raises doubts to me. Do you think chinese boys think chinese girls are so friendly and excellent? I think if american girls were not interested in them it may be for good reason.
For the issue of salary, maybe they think they are wealthy making 7,000 RMB in one month. I will be honest I make only 5,000 but I am in a lower management position, after some time I can be considered for higher level positions, but what do they have to look forward to? Chinese migrants have a very hard life and I respect them very much. They work hard to make the best of their situation, but for ESL teachers they are receiving the worst outcome. Imagine a race for success between a migrant and an ESL teacher, the ESL teacher basically starts at the finish line for all the advantages they had but they find the same result in the end.
Don't think I am only interested in rich men either, if I met a nice american boy in their early 20s working in a similar position to me, making even as low as 3000 each month I would still be proud to call him my boyfriend as he is sacrificing his present comfort for future potential, this is to be admired. For teachers I think their mistake is to exchange these things. better to suffer now for a good life later!

Apr 18, 2012 03:06 Report Abuse

Chris

I hope you enjoyed your time in the USA, and i'm glad you got a good job now that you've returned home. Are you what they call a "sea turtle"? Now that i've been away from teaching for a few months I guess I can say it's not such a bad job, it's just a shitty career. I guess for me the worst thing about being a teacher was that you couldn't really distinguish yourself or get a leg up on the pile. Teaching doesn't mean anything because anybody from your country can do it. You lose that drive to compete, except in petty ways with each other, (i.e. My school gives me a schedule a month in advance! Oh yeah? My school lets me take mondays off!) It sounds more like little kids bragging their house has 5 bathrooms, it's not your accomplishment. Anyone can be hired for any teaching job, it doesn't prove anything and it makes it harder to find a good job later. And for the dating, it's like why bother working out or dressing nice because it doesn't make any difference. Either a girl is willing to date a teacher or she's not. The ones that aren't don't make exceptions based on how you look, if you looked good enough for them to make an exception for you, you could just be a professional model instead. You wouldn't be teaching. I get why so many teachers have this "i give up" attitude because they aren't in control of their lives and it really sucks living that way.

I mean the way I see it, people are wrong to look down on teachers without getting to know them, but they do it anyway. Isn't it way better to be in the professional class? I can choose whether or not to be an asshole towards teachers, but as a teacher you can't choose whether people look down on you. The best case, they don't hold it against you. Having a real career is objectively so much better, after all even if I really really hated it, I could quit and be a teacher again at the same salary as the guys doing it for 10 years. Maybe even higher because I probably have a better social network and I know school owners. Not putting anybody down, but I really do think that people take you way more seriously when you don't say "yeah, i'm just a teacher"

Apr 24, 2012 16:58 Report Abuse

Chris

Also, you're right. Taking a lower management job even for a low pay is key to having a future. I think part of the reason so many teachers get that bad attitude is that they have nothing to hope for. They see the professional expats at the pubs and think "there's no way I can ever be that" so they resent them. Bitch about how "oh you don't need that or say Why do people come to china if they're going to live like that?" This isn't a vacation, this is your life. It's pathetic to just give up all the comforts we grew up with.

if corporate success is a mountain to climb, teaching is a plateau. Teaching lets you skip the really shitty low parts of the climb in the beginning like commission only sales, or 60 hour weeks for 5K per month and takes you to a basic level of comfort right away, but in trade you never get to experience the rare air of success.

Apr 24, 2012 18:47 Report Abuse

Bei Li

Hi Chris! Thanks for your reply. Yes I think it is very foolish to give up the chance for a good job later for a comfortable job right away. I also just do not like the way many teachers think they are "living chinese" because they are living poorly. They may not intend for this meaning but this is very insulting. Chinese people are not all poor. You live in a big city, the prices and income are not very dissimilar to that in the west. It is they who are poor because they do not take advantage of their gifts. It is a way in which the world is unfair that someone can find an easy life just for being born in an english speaking country. They may find an easy life but they cannot find respect!

May 08, 2012 03:41 Report Abuse

Jason

I think the stigma against teachers is just because there aren't really bad jobs available to foreigners. Teachers still make way more than chinese factory workers, janitors, etc but because we don't see other foreigners in those positions teacher becomes the bad job for foreigners.
I'm also in guangzhou and frankly I dont mind being a teacher but I think what happens to guys like Chris from shanghai is that you get so used to being told you're great by the locals that you get angry when foreigners arent impressed by you. Im glad he was able to find a better job but I've never met anybody who did that. I'm also 25 and I think itd be almost impossible to get out of teaching. All the jobs are like senior management level need 10 years experience etc. So I guess i'm stuck teaching.

Apr 08, 2012 22:25 Report Abuse

Chris

Yes teachers make more than unskilled chinese laborers, but that's a BS excuse for teacher being a good job. The people you need to compare yourself to, deciding whether you've made a proper choice in teaching are the chinese of similar means to middle class westerners, the chinese who go to university in the west. You think some chinese kid from a good family who graduated from an american school is going to come back and take a job where the income tops out well below a middle class standard? Hell no. My parents worked their asses off so I could graduate with no debt, I was not about to insult them staying in a career without a future

Apr 09, 2012 19:38 Report Abuse

Chris

Hey I didn't mean to sound like such an ass there. I just meant that good jobs are out there but you really really gotta search for them so don't give up so easily. I dunno maybe you're different from me but i think most people would be way happier outside the esl industry. A lot of my old teaching buddies would always gripe about how everything is so expensive but it's only too expensive if you're making a low wage. Shanghai is an awesome city, one of the best in the world. Being a young guy in a decent management position here is freakin amazing. There's really no comparison.

Apr 10, 2012 01:46 Report Abuse

John

Good on you man, if you're ever in south china I can certainly introduce you to some very beautiful european girls that I know would absolutely kill to date an ambitious professional american guy your age. I'm on permanent notice from my girlfriend's friends (also models!) to introduce them to any cool professional american guys I meet.

Remember dating those girls it's not about being rich so much as just not being poor. From the girls I've known there are definitely a few gold diggers but they're in the minority and they'll tend to just be the mistresses of rich arab traders who lavish them with gifts. If it makes 'em happy good for them. Remember the majority of these models aren't getting richl. 10-15K per month is pretty common. They're modelling for brands like moonbasa or something, not exactly chanel or armani. They're just incredibly hot girls who for the most part just want a normal boyfriend (and maybe the occasional trip to the beaches of phuket) who can offer a comfortable life.

As for the bad habits your boss mentioned I think I can see what he means. Teaching doesn't really seem like a serious job. The teachers I know may be great people, fun guys to hit the bar with, but are they serious people you'd want in a mission critical position? Usually not.

From what everyone has said it's not a job where it really matters if you do it well, so for these guys my age (28) who came fresh out of college and haven't done anything else I would definitely have serious questions whether they could handle a more serious job. In your case you were lucky because your boss mustve seen you still had the good habits you pick up working your ass off in college.

We're lucky to be in real careers, i'm sure you're working 5 times the hours now you were before but that doesn't mean we still aren't really lucky. I bet the majority of teachers out there would trade places with you every time.

Mar 18, 2012 23:10 Report Abuse

John

Not a misprint, 33,000 is what I bring in monthly, but remember i’m not a teacher I’m a director of sales for an auto parts manufacturing company so that’s pretty standard for a foreign DoS at a mid-sized company

There’s this myth I keep hearing that china is this cheap place to live but I really just don’t see it. I think the reality is that it’s socially acceptable to live worse here than you would at home, but that’s not really being a cheap country, just one where it’s safe to live in slums that you wouldn’t consider in the US. I think if you were willing to stay in the equivalent conditions that are provided to some of my friends who teach, while living in the US you’d probably be paying about the same, but you wouldn’t be physically safe living there. Ask yourself is it cheap to live in china or are you just making do with less?

Svetlana and I choose to live like we would if I was doing the same job in the states, just with more chinese food obviously! My apartment, which is pretty nice by the way though still no insulation and I had to buy my own dishwasher to replace that stupid sterilizer and a tumble dryer, costs about 14,000 per month in Zhujiang New Town in guangzhou. Western groceries that we like cost much more here than back home and going out to the bar is way more expensive even than big cities in the west (though because she’s a model she gets free drinks when we’re at the nightclub so that’s one thing we don’t have to pay for!), so including my additional 8K monthly housing subsidy all in each month I spend a minimum of around 20,000 RMB to live like a normal western person. That leaves me savings of around 12,000 RMB a month plus what she makes. Basically the only thing that is cheaper about living here is that nobody expects me to have a car.

The thing is, most of the other foreign professionals living here are in there mid 40s-50s and make a hell of a lot more than I do. To live like an upper-middle class american you’re looking at spending maybe 30-60K RMB per month rent MINIMUM up to 90K or so, so to them I’m slumming it (I have the cheapest apartment out of all the western pros I know), and as I said before there aren’t many of the “middle class foreigners” like me, who earn more than teachers but less than the upper level execs and are under 30.

I agree with you andrew that having qualifications makes you a REAL teacher and not just a faker, but if you can get real qualifications you should look at teaching at international schools. Salaries there above 20K per month aren’t uncommon.

Mar 05, 2012 23:28 Report Abuse

Chris

Interesting stuff my friend, I find the same thing is true. You can live, that is to say you can survive on very little money in China but is that really ilving? I'd say not.

For the few months I spent teaching english here I felt like a prisoner. It's one thing to be at the bottom rung of the corporate ladder which I would have been fine with, but teaching was like being chained to the ground. In my whole life I've never let myself be just dismissed by people and I guess I didn't take it very well.

What I didn’t realize is that as soon as I stepped in front of a class here I lost my status as a middle class western person. The best analogy I can think of for ESL teaching is that it is a service industry job like cashier or food server. If you’re a cashier in the USA, you aren’t going to be able to date some cool ambitious young woman who just finished law school with dreams of becoming a top litigator. You’re just not going to be interesting to them. Teaching is a working class job, nothing wrong with that, but it has consequences for you.

I took a sales job (no salary, but at least I could present myself as a professional) and I got really lucky and met a guy in the course of networking that owned a business here and wanted another foreigner to "watch the shop" for him and deal with his overseas clients so he could spend more time in the states with his family. So now finally I have a real career and can hold my head up high. Again, as with John I'm not getting rich by any means, but 22K per month is solid for someone about to turn 25. Not to mention that I'm making myself competitive for the better expat jobs down the line.

My boss mentioned to me when we met that most americans my age are just here teaching english and that he was impressed that I had the initiative to do something else. He even said that if I had been teaching for more than a year he wouldn't have hired me because of all the bad habits that teachers pick up.

I'm pretty much at the low end of professional expats, but that's ok because with this kind of job I'm building up to something better. Every day I'm more experienced and qualified than the day before, every day isn't just time wasted in return for a meager paycheck and no respect. I can afford a place to live that I'm not ashamed to bring people to, I don't have to agonize over whether I can buy the imported protein shakes.

China is now working for me, offering me a job at a higher position than I could get in the states even in a good job market, I'm not just a wage slave of the ESL industry any more.

Mar 10, 2012 20:46 Report Abuse

Chris

Got a few pieces of advice on how to make the jump. First thing, if you’re not in a major city...get to one right away. I only know the big 4 cities so i’m not sure about ones like chengdu, changsha, chongqing etc. Look around at the other expats, are they all teachers? If they are, then there is no real international business being done there and no real job market for western people. If thats the case leave right away, you’re just wasting time there. If you have the savings to leave right away do it. Fuck the school, and don’t feel bad about it either. When I got a real job they just had to give OT to the remaining teachers to pick up the slack or drop classes. Make up something if you want, tell them a family member is sick and you have to go work at home now. You can buy visas if they try and cancel yours or convert to a tourist visa, and you can extend tourist visas up to 3 times. Remember, no one who wants you to teach is your friend. It is in YOUR interest to get out of teaching as fast as possible and start earning experience, if not more money in the beginning.

When you get to the city you want to have your real job in, take some sort of commission based sales job. It sucks, but it’s super easy to get if theres no salary. You’ll be hired on the spot and this will give you credibility among real expats. Sales will force you to meet people who can help you get ahead. This sales job will be grueling and is a means to an end only. It’s something whereas teaching jobs are nothing. I got super lucky, a client I had liked me and gave me a huge break. That was not very likely, and to be honest I’d do the same 50-60 hr per week job for half of what i’m making now because it’s good experience.

There are a few things holding teachers back. The first is their social network. Teachers may be great people etc but they CANNOT help you move forward. Plus, like my boss said they pick up a lot of bad habits. When i’m at the expat bars here in shanghai, you can always spot the difference between a table of teachers and a table of career people. YOU want to be at the table of career people. If you want to be successful, hang out with successful people. Study their habits and mannerisms. They must be doing something right or they wouldn’t be where they are.

When you get an offer for a legit salaried job with a visa...take it! No matter what it is. Theres no shame in starting out as the low man on the totem pole. Remember if you’re making 7K a month working in an office you have no where to go but up. Some teacher with an 8K salary might laugh at you for working so hard, but remember his salary is maxed out. Sure he can take a ton of part time work and maybe get up close to that 20K mark. But that’s not the same as having a real career with a future. Teaching you can only earn more by working more hours, just like being a migrant worker. You’ll never get a raise, all you can do is keep changing jobs every year to get marginally better conditions. That’s no way to live.

Whatever happens don’t get discouraged! It’s not easy to find a real job but that’s why it means something when you do! You’ll be holding your high again knowing that you’re working towards something. Good luck man!

Mar 28, 2012 05:37 Report Abuse

John

Haha TTs, that's funny. I hate to say it like that but I know just what you mean by teacher trash. It sucks that all teachers get lumped in like that though. It's just the nature of the business that literally anybody seems to be able to get a teaching job so you get the bad with the good. Say what you want about any businessperson, trader etc, at least there's something about them that got them a career or a business here.

I asked my girlfriend's girlfriends why they don't just date teachers. Couldn't really get a specific answer beyond just...'not really interesting' or 'they just date local girls" What I didn't hear was anything about the money which I found surprising. I think it's just psychological, the types of people who are willing to be ESL teachers (a low status, very subservient job) aren't the types of people who sexy girls are attracted to. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy? To them teachers are just those dorky guys with blandly pretty chinese girls.

But then no matter where you are, teaching isn't really a 'sexy' job is it? Unless you're Indiana Jones of course.

Apr 05, 2012 18:24 Report Abuse

Patrick

You're such a tool john. Listen to yourself...oooh I live in a service apartment for 12K a month. You think that's so damn cool huh? LIke you really need such an expensive place. Mine is 1000 per month, its simple but it's all you need. Youre one of those foreigners that comes to china and doesn't want to live chinese. So why are you even here is youre eating western food every day? You date western girls, you eat western food, and you seem damn proud of that fact so what the hell are you doing in china? Do us all a favor and go home!

Apr 07, 2012 18:08 Report Abuse

John

Interesting the direction this discussion has taken! I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. I'm 28 and living in Guangzhou and like a couple of the other younger professional guys posting I've taken advantages of the opportunities to date a european model.

I think for most younger professional guys here it's actually really simple to meet one, actually the majority of my girlfriend's circle of friends are single and paradoxically pretty lonely. Remember, there aren't really that many guys here for them to date. There's only about 1 male model for every 4 female ones and most of the girls aren't really interested in dating even rich chinese/arab guys and there aren't nearly enough young pros to go around.

Unfortunately for some though, they really aren't interested for the most part in being a part of the teaching lifestyle. Some of my teacher friends have really really tried to court them with absolutely no success, but really I don't think the girls are being unreasonable or gold diggers or anything. All you really need to be is a normal middle class western guy under 30 and you'll probably have quite a few options.

Unlike what some people have said these girls usually aren't gold diggers, at least not the ones I know. If they were interested only in money the richest guys BY FAR are chinese, but they tend to be really dull and stuck up/arrogant yet still have no confidence around white women.

I'm not rich by any means, I make about 33000 RMB per month take home so it's not like i'm some pampered exec living in a villa with a driver, but I can afford a well furnished 100m2 serviced apartment in a great neighborhood and don't have to think twice about getting western food. Basically, I live the way a middle class american lives, just in china and that's all it takes to be dating (in my opinion at least) one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.

Theres nothing wrong with teaching english, absolutely not, but like others have said it doesn't really offer any upward mobility and isn't really a proper career for an ambitious person. If you want one of those girls you obviously have a lot of ambition (sexually at least) and you should start applying that same ambition to your own career goals.

I mean come on, teaching has low hours, months of paid vacations, and no barriers to entry. If you could date models doing that why would anybody be doing anything else! No job is perfect, I work long hours and have to fly to LA about twice a month, but it's worth it to me to live the kind of life I want. You can't put those girls up on a pedestal and you can't let your life revolve around them, but if they're something you want out of life...go for it!

Feb 26, 2012 02:41 Report Abuse

dano

STIGMA? WHAT IS WITH YOU?

SOME WILL, SOME WON'T-SO WHAT?

Feb 12, 2012 22:44 Report Abuse

Luc

I have to say, the comments on this site are funny. :)

Jan 12, 2012 10:51 Report Abuse

Chris

Shaun man I don't want to give you the impression that I look down on teaching cause I really don't, I used to do it myself. But here in shanghai? no you don't get any respect. It really is a whole new china for me now and it's not just the dating stuff. those nice new apartments? they're for me now too. nice western restaurants and import stores? Those are for me now too. Night clubs etc...

Teaching I always felt like I was on the outside looking in. There's this great life to be had here but it was never going to be anything i could have. Like you said one way to avoid this feeling is to move to a smaller city but to me that's just the same as giving up, plus then there aren't the opportunities to find those better jobs.

China is awesome if it's working for you and not the other way around. I only make like $48K per year US, which certainly isn't a whole hell of a lot and i'm sure you can make more than that if you bust your ass teaching, but here that's enough to have a really decent lifestyle and at 24 I'm still young enough to date a beautiful russian model at about the same age.

You guys might like teaching and I respect that, but quite honestly getting out of teaching and having a real job in SH was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. Maybe the limitations don't bother you guys, but especially the dating stuff I mean if there's a job where a lot of the best looking girls just dismiss you for having it...how can you let yourself have it?

Feb 07, 2012 03:28 Report Abuse

superlady

hi eric:
i am a chinese, i taught with native speaker for three years, and i live in suzhou city, not far from shanghai, and smaller city, and with everythng, people here nice, and this is a wonderful city combine with modern and ancient chinese culture, welcome to suzhou, if u have any question, feel free to email me: yelily111@163.com

Jul 29, 2011 20:44 Report Abuse

Miles

I am also a Teacher here in China, i make a good living and have a good lifestyle....hard work and perserverance got that. I have met Foreigners that roll there eyes or move seats when i tell them i teach for a living, and when they blabber on about their over inflated expat packages and the stress they are under, i simply say "I have none of that" smile and walk away. There is absolutely nothing wrong with standing proud and saying "Yes, i am a Teacher" those that are like Salad and have different agendas wont last very long in China.

Jul 21, 2011 19:25 Report Abuse

sailor2011

The student was a young, extremely attractive female university graduate from a wealthy family. She had just taken her IELTS exam (with the end game being admittance to a US university) and failed after having ten weeks of one-on-one with one of the school's "best". She not only failed--she failed miserably. She came back for more and I got the job. I was told that she wanted to re-take the IELTS test in three weeks time. Her schedule allowed for seven hours of instruction. Seven hours. After the first two hours I approached the headmaster and told him that she didn't have a prayer of passing the exam given her limited ability and the limited time we both had. She was paying top dollar--600 per hour--to the school. The headmaster raised his eyebrows and asked (rhetorically), "Your point?" I stated the obvious....that she was throwing her family's money away if she expected to pass the test this time around. His response was, "If we don't take her money, someone else will." I got the point--right between the eyes. I advised her to go to the US or Canada, enroll in a language course at an accredited school and then apply to university. She was devastated when I told her that she would probably not pass the test--but--was encouraged by my advice to actually go to a place where English was spoken every day and study in that environment. One month later I left that school's employ--even though I was a "star". I know profit is important. But--so is integrity. Mine is intact. I AM A TEACHER.

Mar 29, 2011 07:07 Report Abuse